Madonna

[RainyDay]

I couldn't help it. I watched some of the interview last night. Miss Controversy pulled her video because she didn't want controversy for controversy's sake. Huh? Since when? I guess she looked at the Dixie Chicks and decided she could do without the aggravation of making an anti war statement if it was going to cost her record sales. I guess that makes her a, um, whore.

She also said that the reason that her last movie was trashed was because people were jealous of her and her hubby. Say what? Girl, you can't ACT. You can barely sing. Jealous? Maybe so. Jealous of someone with such a marginal talent that has gone so far.

[mke]

Originally posted by RainyDay

She also said that the reason that her last movie was trashed was because people were jealous of her and her hubby. Say what? Girl, you can't ACT. You can barely sing. Jealous? Maybe so. Jealous of someone with such a marginal talent that has gone so far.

LOL!

I've noticed that a lot of marginally-talented stars blame various flops on "jealousy". Take Eminem (not that he's had any flops so far): according to him, the more popular he is, the more people (media, awards...) hate him. I don't get it.

Yeah MKE, I agree with you totally(hey, there's a first for everything). You've got a bunch of no-talents, who have never had much, if any, musical training. Most can't sing, the rest can't play. They're making money hand over fist, and all they do is cry about 'poor little ole me'. Eminem wanted us to love him? Yeah, o.k...................................

Madonna saying she doesn't want controversy is like me saying I'm not looking to battle it out with libs. Her entire career was based upon, and has been sustained by controversy throughout. She's a pretty lady, and has talent as a writer of pop songs, but without controversy, she'd probably be long forgotten by now.

[Salvador Dali Lama]

someone told me madonna's new thing is kabbalah.

i fell out of my chair laughing, and pissed on myself whilst on the ground.

[shrugs]

She's good looking if you like 'em on the trashy side.

[RainyDay]

She can dance. But if you've ever heard her sing live, on an awards show or something, she'll make you cringe. It's pretty bad. That's why she tapes her concerts. The studio can cover a multitude of sins.

Yeah, she's into kabblalh. And she plays the guitar on her new CD. There just isn't anything this wannabe Rennaissance woman can't do.

[moneyp]

I keep meaning to rent SWEPT AWAY just to see how notoriously awful it's supposed to be. I'm a sucker for that kind of thing.

"She's good looking if you like 'em on the trashy side." -Shrugs


Nah, I definitely don't like those kind. But I've just seen photos of her when she's not all whored out, and she's actually quite nice looking.

She got into the whole kaballah thing when she did that album Ray Of Light. Guess she wanted to get that whole 'mystical' thing going. Don't know if she succeeded, but that is the only album of hers that I can actually sit through. I've heard her latest is truly awful.

[Tanager]

I agree - Ray of Light is, at times, almost listenable.

I was actually at the Grammys in...2001 (working), and although I didn't get to go out for the main event, I did sit through several of the rehearsals (including those of both Eminem and Madonna). I used to think that the whole purpose of a flashy stage show is to distract folks from your singing. Or the lack thereof. Now, I know that's the case.

"I used to think that the whole purpose of a flashy stage show is to distract folks from your singing. Or the lack thereof. Now, I know that's the case." -Tanager

Yep. If you ever saw Pink Floyd in concert, you would've ALREADY known that. Great show, Incredible show, visually, but without Alan Parsons working all that studio magic, they are almost unlistenable.

[Tanager]

I actually DID see Floyd in concert. Twice. I actually like their studio work, and I liked their earlier stuff (say, Meddle) a lot, but I never really thought their songs per se translated well to live performance. I did like David Gilmour, especially when he played his solo stuff and with Pete Townsend.

[moneyp]

Originally posted by Scott Dolan
Yep. If you ever saw Pink Floyd in concert, you would've ALREADY known that. Great show, Incredible show, visually, but without Alan Parsons working all that studio magic, they are almost unlistenable.

I saw Roger Waters twice a few years ago, once sitting where I couldn't even see the back half of the stage. They sounded great. Not quite studio pristine, but hardly "unlistenable."

No,no, Mone, I'm not talking about Roger Waters. He usually has some fantastic musicians with him. I was referring more to the post-Waters Floyd. Saw them opening night at Joe Robbie Stadium on there Division Bell tour. Although I will admit that Gilmore always played nicely on the guitar. But overall the music sounded horrible when compared to those slick studio albums.

[Tanager]

Both of the Floyd concerts I attended were post-breakup as well, both on the Momentary Lapse... tour. Neither was as unlistenable as Scott found the one(s) he attended, but they weren't great shows, either. I was, frankly, underwhelmed.

The best rock show I've seen by FAR was the SRV show at Memorial Hall at UNC-Chapel Hill, when I sat front row center. Before the show (I might have told this story before on thread(s) past), a bunch of us were sitting out back of the hall, maybe four or five hours before the show, hoping to yell at Stevie during the sound checks. They had a couple of semi trailers out there, both empty (since the gear was all inside the hall). Stevie had 'em stick one big speaker cab in a trailer, and then he came out and played his ass off, solo, for about fifteen minutes. He did a version of "Testify" which just about knocked me clear out of my clothes. Then he sat with us for a few minutes and shot the shit. He was pretty easygoing and laid back with us. I had absolutely no idea what to say to the man (and, at that point, I was pretty stoned - I had largely sobered up by showtime), so I kept my mouth shut. One guy I knew from college (and an arrogant dork, at that) told Stevie, "my Mom saw you at Antone's." We gave him mucho shit for such a blatant suckup.

Later that night the band played one righteous concert. At the opening to "Couldn't Stand the Weather," Stevie's guitar strap broke, so he missed the opening riff. Without missing a single beat, Reese Wynans played Stevie's part until a roadie rushed out with a new strap. That was one tight goddamned band.

I saw SRV three times, and he is the only musician whose death really affected me in a way other than that in which most deaths of famous people do. I remember later on seeing Reese Wynans on Austin City Limits playing with Albert Collins, another of my alltime faves. I'm pretty bummed he's gone, too.

[Dr Dave]

Madonna's main talent is to be noticed. Everything else is incidental.

[Monte Smith]

I still support experimenting with Madonna as a weapon of war.

Granted, she can't sing for shit and never has been able to. She has less of a voice that Britney Spears or Janet Jackson, if you can believe it, and doesn't even have Britney's nubile adolescent or Janet's crafted but timeless physique.

But Madonna is a tireless bitch! She's got that going on in spades. And, accurately deployed, that could really dishearten the woman-haters amongst our enemies. I mean imagine that you are a flatfoot of the Religion Police. You come home from the soccer field, home from a long day of putting bullets in the heads of women and girls who don't meet the strict laws of sharia that are so important in keeping Allah happy. You put your dogs up, you point that remote control at some decent satellite programming...and bam! It's that Madonna bitch rapping about erotica while all dressed up in leather and being felt-up by dancing queers. Why...a believer could get discouraged.

So someone tell me why Madonna, who is *so brave* in challenging the fictitious Roman Catholic theocracy in videos such as "Like a Prayer" finds it important to throw a grenade in George Bush's lap rather than, say, blowing a big raspberry at the real tyrants of the world.

I am ready to believe that Madonna is an idiot with no valid political insight.

[bostontricky]

Could someone exactly delineate the difference between throwing a grenade in George Bush's lap and blowing a big raspberry at the real tyrants of the world?

[Monte Smith]

Sure Bo: Women are free to walk down catwalks in America. Free? Fuck! They are paid!

[moneyp]

Originally posted by Monte Smith
So someone tell me why Madonna, who is *so brave* in challenging the fictitious Roman Catholic theocracy in videos such as "Like a Prayer" finds it important to throw a grenade in George Bush's lap rather than, say, blowing a big raspberry at the real tyrants of the world.

She holds our tyrants to higher standards.

[Monte Smith]

Originally posted by mone peterson
She holds our tyrants to higher standards.

Hahaha! That's true! Her and everybody! There isn't any Western tyrant, and yet the Western tyranical crimes past and present are the most heinous and abject problems which humanity needs to address.

Fuck.

[Ron Thorne]

"Her and everybody!"

I don't think that's correct. Is it? One always hopes that "kids", especially ones who choose journalism as a career, will do their homework, but ...

[patricia]

I thought, when Madonna changed her anti-war, anti-Bush video, that she had miscalculated who her audience was. She, as has been mentioned, is more popular with the rich, middle-class, as a safe form of rebellion, than with anyone else.
She "plays" a rebel. She is as rebellious, commercially, as will bring the most success to her. The original video was not a smart business move, given the sudden patriotism of her usual audience, IMO. She's a paper rebel.

[bluenoter]

Hahaha! That's true! Her and everybody! There isn't any Western tyrant, and yet the Western tyranical crimes past and present are the most heinous and abject problems which humanity needs to address.

Originally posted by Ron Thorne
"Her and everybody!"

I don't think that's correct. Is it? One always hopes that "kids", especially ones who choose journalism as a career, will do their homework, but ...

No, it's not correct in formal usage, but it'll generally squeak by in informal usage. However, "tyrannical" is misspelled and "which" should be "that."

And Ron, in American usage, commas and periods (only) belong inside the quotation marks, not outside--and that applies to "kids" in your post.

[Tanager]

Rita, you are such a wet blanket sometimes. ;-)

[bluenoter]

Originally posted by Tanager
Rita, you are such a wet blanket sometimes. ;-)

No, all the time!