The Roadmap

[Monte Smith]

The PA have approved Abu Mazen as Prime Minister. Whether this means that Arafat's hands have finally been torn from the umbilicus of a Palestinian state is an open question. But the step itself was the quid for which we were waiting. The quo has followed like clockwork--as can be expected from honest nations, thank you.

Here's the roadmap:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/20062.htm

I will be taking odds on the creation of a Palestinian entity by 2005. Place yer bets. And duck.

A "roadmap" that does not include the abandonment of all settlements by Israelis will, IMO, lead to a dead end. I hope the Pal?stinians don't accept this thing, which is yet another Bush embrace of Sharon. Yes, I know that Sharon is not totally happy with the "map," as it stands, but from what I have seen, it is slanted towards Israel. Just more Bush crap.

[Salvador Dali Lama]

the Roadmap is bullshit.

and this isnt news, all this stuff was decided a while back. its just that the american media decided it wasnt important enough to report on when it happend.

I'm not going to agree with a single one of you about any of this, so I'm going to go ahead and back out while I still can.

but this roadmap, and any roadmap that ends in a palestenian state (something both egypt and jordan have fought wars to prevent from becoming a reality) is bullshit.

and with that i will say good day.

[Monte Smith]

Originally posted by Chris A
A "roadmap" that does not include the abandonment of all settlements by Israelis will, IMO, lead to a dead end.

Hey, do you mean all Israeli territory when you say all Israeli settlements, Chris? Never mind. If you don't mean that, there are Arabs who do mean that. But we can no sooner go back to 1967 than we can to 1948 than we can to Biblical times.

We can't fulfill the needs of all radicals in a realistic peace settlement. There are many things in this roadmap that I would strike thru--as a non Jew, non Arab American. But fuck me. This is the best bet going.

All we are saying...is give peace a chance.

But Sal: we can always nuke the whole region.

Originally posted by Monte Smith
Hey, do you mean all Israeli territory when you say all Israeli settlements, Chris?

Yes.

Monte:
Never mind. If you don't mean that, there are Arabs who do mean that. But we can no sooner go back to 1967 than we can to 1948 than we can to Biblical times.

And why could we not go back to 1967? Because there are Israelis living on land that doesn't belong to them? I have not the least bit of sympathy for those squatters--get them out of there. They can go back to Brooklyn or wherever they came from, or to parts of Israel that were acquired (thanks to the U.N.) in 1948.

Monte:
All we are saying...is give peace a chance.

Tell that to Sharon, who, so far, has rejected every peace proposal put before him. I don't think there is a possibility of peace in the region unless there is a regime change in Israel (and the U.S., for that matter--Bush's ass-licking has done immense harm to any prospect for peace, IMO, and we need to give Powell a few swigs of truth serum, send Rice back to her oil tanker, and get rid of treacherous thugs like Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrahms, Rumsfeld).

[Monte Smith]

Hey, the Israelis could go back to Iraq, and Syria, and Lebanon, and Auschwitz and all the other places they came from. Yes, Brooklyn.

And you could come back too from where you came, since it is so easy.

[Salvador Dali Lama]

now I'm with you on this Monte.

Why dont the Palestenians also go back to where they came from? they wern't the first people to live there either, you know.

as for who the land belongs to, and where the people are from..

its called Jordan and Egypt, but Jordan and Egypt don't want them (or the land) back. there is a good reason.

but yeah, just wanted to chime in with my support for what Monte just said and skeedaddle whilst teh skeedaddling is good.

[Monte Smith]

I hear ya, Sal. There is no heaven on Earth and amen.

Originally posted by Monte Smith
And you could come back too from where you came, since it is so easy.

Nice try, Monte, but there is a fundamental difference between my situation and that of the Israeli occupiers. My move to the U.S. was legal and nobody was hurt in the making of it--the same cannot be said for the so-called "settlers" who have forcefully and self-righteously taken over Pal?stinian land and property, either killing the rightful residents or forcing them to flee.

Your inclusion of Auschwitz shows how distorted your mind can be. No "settler" came to their current illegal residence from a concentration camp--nor, for that matter, from Jordan or Syria. The most militant, arrogant ones seem to be Americans, usually from Brooklyn. Unless reporters just single these people out, that appears to be a fact.