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Old October-8th-2004, 02:31 PM   #1
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Disk Found in Iraq has U.S. Schools' Data

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Old October-8th-2004, 02:35 PM   #2
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hmmmm...

quite uh...timely don't you think?

With all the news going the other way RE Iraq one should be somewhat suspicious of this kind of news. Especially since the debates are tonight.
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:37 PM   #3
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My concern was less about the debates and thinking more about what happened in Russia.
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:37 PM   #4
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I think they were just looknig for the right school district for relocation:
Who teaches algebra II in ninth year?
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:38 PM   #5
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:40 PM   #6
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My concern was less about the debates and thinking more about what happened in Russia.
Tippy that is exactly what they want you to think.

Not to say that this is not disturbing, just that the timeliness of it seems suspicious. I mean, they found it in JULY! Why was it not important to tell anyone before?

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Old October-8th-2004, 02:46 PM   #7
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well I guess I'm a chump then. (truly--happens sometimes y'know?) But to my way of thinking how is it partisan for Bush? As presented, it hints of decreased safety from my pov. But hey if it's just some guy looking for schools for his kids then yeah shame on the media I guess.
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:46 PM   #8
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Is there any evidence this data was downloaded for terror purposes, or were the Iraqis just trying to learn something about our weapons of math instruction?
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:47 PM   #9
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My concern was less about the debates and thinking more about what happened in Russia.
Since Bush is being revealed for the scumbag liar that he is, they have nothing going for them if they cannot scare us into believing that we must elect him in order to "win" the war on "terrorism." That's the only aspect Americans favor him on right now... they have to capitalize on that some way. How better than to scare the Bejezus out of us?
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:49 PM   #10
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well I guess I'm a chump then. (truly--happens sometimes y'know?) But to my way of thinking how is it partisan for Bush? As presented, it hints of decreased safety from my pov. But hey if it's just some guy looking for schools for his kids then yeah shame on the media I guess.
I think they are trying desperately to refute the current proclaimations that Iraq had no link to terrorism or Al Quaeda, or that they had anything to do with 9-11. They are trying to keep the public suspicious of Iraq so that the war is justified.

But the evidence overwhelmingly leans the other way, even according to Bush's own chosen reviewers.
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:54 PM   #11
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no I *am* embarrassed...I was so excited, I never get to start new threads y'know? But anyway, I think the Iraqi Invasion was the worst U.S. decision perhaps ever barring the implementation and maintenance of the institution of slavery.
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Is there any evidence this data was downloaded for terror purposes, or were the Iraqis just trying to learn something about our weapons of math instruction?
*groan*

(Good show, actually, but you wanted an appreciative groan, I know.)
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Old October-8th-2004, 02:58 PM   #13
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Tippy you are sweet. You just care about the kids. It SHOULD be your first response. The ones who should be embarressed are the ones who manipulate the good people out there who care with info like that. Though I know you are smart enough to not be manipulated Tippy.

Besides you started a great thread. I hope people will realize what is going on here.
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:07 PM   #14
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*groan*

(Good show, actually, but you wanted an appreciative groan, I know.)
Yes, thanks, Tanager!
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:08 PM   #15
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Thanks, sonic.

Groover's post kicked ass. That's two days in a row that I've noticed in my limited meanderings.
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:18 PM   #16
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(Fanfare) Yes, it's the October Surprise! There may be others.

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Old October-8th-2004, 03:37 PM   #17
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Groover's post kicked ass. That's two days in a row that I've noticed in my limited meanderings.
You're too kind, Tippy.

Since the school data was downloaded post-invasion, this seems to indicate that Bush's war has actually increased the likelihood of terror in the U.S.

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School Warning
School Plans, Security Information Gathered by Suspected Iraq Insurgent Focus Concern on Schools in Six States
By Brian Ross
ABCNEWS.com
Oct. 7, 2004— Schools in six states in particular are being watched closely based on information uncovered by the U.S. military in Baghdad this summer, law enforcement and education officials told ABC News.

A man described as an Iraqi insurgent involved in anti-coalition activities had downloaded school floor plans and safety and security information about elementary and high schools in the six states, according to officials.
School officials in Fort Myers, Fla.; Salem, Ore.; Gray, Ga.; Birch Run, Mich.; two towns in New Jersey; and two towns in California have been told to increase security in light of the discovery.

Law enforcement officials say information on both elementary schools and high schools was included on the insurgent's disc, and that some of the schools involved were under construction this summer.

The ongoing construction was of particular interest to law enforcement officials. The terrorists who attacked the school in Beslan, Russia — where nearly 340 people were killed, many of them children — are thought to have hidden weapons in that school while it was under construction this summer.

School Officials React

Officials in the New Jersey towns, Franklinville and Rumson, were notified by counterterrorism officials last month that their schools had been possibly singled out.

"Once we were notified, we immediately put a plan into effect," said Dwight Pfennig, deputy commissioner of education for the state of New Jersey.

And William Matthews, superintendent of schools in Jones County, Ga., sent a letter to parents, faculty and staff last week notifying them that security was being increased during the election season.

"In an effort to be proactive and ensure the safety of all, we are reviewing our school safety plans," Matthews wrote in the letter. "You may notice an increase in law enforcement visibility as well as other measures designed to provide a safe and pleasant environment."

Matthews said in the letter that the information was not considered a threat. School officials in Salem, Ore., told ABC News affiliate KATU that local law enforcement has no knowledge of a specific threat to any schools there. "The safety of students and staff is a priority to us, and we will continue to make every attempt to keep them secure," Salem Superintendent Kay Baker told KATU.

On Wednesday, the federal government warned schools nationwide to look out for suspicious activity that might signal terrorist activity, and told school officials to be on the lookout for anyone spying on their buildings or buses, expressing interest in obtaining site plans, and other types of suspicious activity.

The warning followed an analysis by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department of the last month's school siege in Beslan.

Law enforcement officials said they had no easy explanation why an insurgent in Baghdad would be gathering such specific information about American schools, some of them in small towns.

And though the information was recovered in July, it was not given urgency until the attack in Beslan.

Ultimately, officials say they are hoping to increase security in schools and heighten awareness without causing parents nationwide to panic.

ABC News' Richard Esposito contributed to this report.
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:39 PM   #18
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And though the information was recovered in July, it was not given urgency until (Bush started floundering in the polls).
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:51 PM   #19
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Conveniently left out of the above story (but in the CNN version):

The Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a specific individual in Iraq, and it could not be established that this man had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said.
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Old October-8th-2004, 03:53 PM   #20
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so there you go. If Iraq elects a U.S.-friendly gov't, I'll lick the soles of Larry's feet.
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Old October-8th-2004, 04:12 PM   #21
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Conveniently left out of the above story (but in the CNN version):

The Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a specific individual in Iraq, and it could not be established that this man had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said.

oh my fucking god. Is that not classic!?
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Old October-8th-2004, 04:24 PM   #22
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so there you go. If Iraq elects a U.S.-friendly gov't, I'll lick the soles of Larry's feet.
.oO (PLEASE let Iraq elect a U.S.-friendly gov't)
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Old October-8th-2004, 04:28 PM   #23
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Conveniently left out of the above story (but in the CNN version):

The Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a specific individual in Iraq, and it could not be established that this man had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said.
The guy also has stockpiles of ketchup. There is intelligence that suggests he may be planning a school lunch program.
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Old October-8th-2004, 04:53 PM   #24
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LOL, a truly lethal proposition.
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