Has Bush's Clock Now Been Cleaned?

[crawjo]

What do you think, America?

I was born and raised in Florida. I've got a sweet ass fireplace, yet I really don't know how to use it.


I'm kinda bummed.

No fear. We're going to call in some professionals.

Does anybody want to see a pic of my bobtail kitty that we recently adopted?

OK, here she is:

[kenny weir]

Looks a tad anorexic. What's her name?

Ain't she a cutie?

Originally Posted by kenny weir

Looks a tad anorexic. What's her name?

She was real thin when we got her, but she's put on some weight since then.

Her name is Missy.

Don't ask.......................

[Jesse]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

OK, here she is:

You, Dolan, are a compassionate conservative motherfucker.

At some point, please update on your fam's ongoing recovery down south...?

Jesse

She ain't anorexic, she's just a youngster.

Originally Posted by Jesse

You, Dolan, are a compassionate conservative motherfucker.

At some point, please update on your fam's ongoing recovery down south...?

Jesse

Well, last I heard, about 50% of the stores and 50% of the gas stations are up and running.

All our family and friends are doing well. They don't exactly dig their living conditions, but they make do with what they have.

Everyone is incredibly resilient, and they all say that they will rebuild bigger, better, and stronger than before. The weather isn't going to run them out of their homes.

Tough little bunch down there.

Thanks for asking, not many care that much. Or remember...........

[Jesse]

Resilient is the saving quality encoded in humans, yes? We draw on it all the time, some more than others. I am glad to hear your kin own a big dose of it. I kept you all in my best intentions vibes when you were down there getting your heart broken & your hands dirty. And since.
The remembering part is something I have to work on, conciously; between my own unchecked self-absorption & the media/culture's ADD reportage, it's easy to emote for a day, then onto the next bad news du jour.
I hope they dig out, and are afforded the leisure we have here to piss and moan and dig music and generally act as if we own the place.

Best,
Jesse

In the Tibetan world(s) view, that little stump tail might be yo mama someday (or in a past life), so you're taking care of alot of karma, my friend.

(Might off-set some of your shit grenades in the Alley).

She was 9 weeks when they brought here into the shelter.

Her tail had been broken, so they had to amputate.

When we first walked in, there she was strutting her stuff in the very first window that you come to. We walked around and looke at all the other kitties, but we already knew she was the one.

Tough little kitty, already been through a rough begining.

But now she lives the life of luxury. And she's adapting quite well.

Now that the honeymoon is over, we've started calling her "hell's own kitty". She's a little demon.

But our son loves her, and she seems quite taken with him as well. He's quite the barbarian, and doesn't quite get the concept of how to treat a little kitty, but she is infinitely patient with him.

And thanks for the good word, and the positive vibes, Brother Jesse.

They ARE much appreciated.

[frankiepop]

it's no sin to have an ugly cat, but....missy is surely overdoing it...

[frankiepop]

dolan...what's the avatar....is that a lesbian..???

[john williams]

Cute kitty Scott. Ginger cats have the most personality and are the best companions in my experience.

[Gary Sisco]

Nobody's clock gets cleaned til Nov. 2.

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

Nobody's clock gets cleaned til Nov. 2.

That's if we're lucky (or very persistent and effective)! Otherwise, a winner may be appointed weeks after Nov. 2.

[stonemonkts]

I think many of you have overblown the voting irregularities thing WAY out of proportion.

And I thought I was a cynic.

[claude]

Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

Does anybody want to see a pic of my bobtail kitty that we recently adopted?

Hey congrats on the adoption!

We just got adopted by a kitten that kept showing up at our door. I knew where she was coming from (a couple of students who live in an apartment down the street) and every time I brought her back they didn't seem to give a shit that she got out. This is a ten week old or so kitten in a neighbourhood that is close to a busy street. The last time she came around it was cold and rainy and we kept her in overnight. No sign of anyone looking for her so we said fuck it she's staying. The nicest little kitten you could imagine now and we're taking her to the vet today to get her checked out and vaccinated etc. Our existing cat (Molly) is pissed as hell, but she'll get over it.

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by stonemonkts

I think many of you have overblown the voting irregularities thing WAY out of proportion.

And I thought I was a cynic.

Stone--

I for one am not cynical at all--just realistic. You must not be aware of the irregularities that have occurred already. The instances of fraud in Nevada and Oregon are only the best publicized, and "best" has been very poor so far.

A letter from the chairman of the Democratic National Committee to the chairman of the Republican National Committee:

October 13, 2004
Hon. Ed Gillespie
Chairman
Republican National Committee
312 First Street, S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20003

Dear Ed:

In recent weeks, all over the country, the Republican Party has been engaged in systematic efforts to disenfranchise voters--to impose unlawful i.d. requirements in New Mexico, to throw eligible voters off the rolls in Clark County Nevada and to deprive voters of their rights to vote a provisional ballot in Ohio, among other examples.

And the Republicans' excuse for these efforts? It's always about protecting the process from "voter fraud." In fact the AP reported on September 19th that President Bush expressed to Nevada Governor Kenny Guinn and Attorney General Brian Sandoval he was concerned about voter fraud in Clark County.

But just last night, the American people have learned that it is actually the Republicans who are engaging in voter fraud in Nevada, Oregon and potentially other states as well and in fact you are paying for it.

Press reports in Nevada disclosed that a Republican organization, "Voters Outreach for America" has been ripping up Democratic voter registration forms in that state. According to those same reports, on KLAS-TV, Channel 8, that group has been "largely, if not entirely, funded by the Republican National Committee." Indeed, a classified ad recruiting paid workers for "Voters Outreach" in Nevada carried the disclaimer, "Paid for by the RNC."

The Washoe County (Reno) Nevada voter registrar (who was identified as a Republican by Channel 8 News) has asked the FBI to investigate complaints of out of state groups submitting fraudulent voter registration forms and refusing to register anyone but Republicans.

And it is reported that this group has now moved its operations to Oregon, where the Secretary of State and Attorney General are already investigating allegations that a paid Republican canvasser was ordered to destroy forms turned in by Democrats.

In Oregon, "Voters Outreach", also known as "America Votes," has been linked to Sproul & Associates, a firm that has been paid some half a million dollars by the RNC.

Ed, there are only 20 days left to the election. Early vote starts in Nevada and Oregon over this weekend. We are deeply concerned these reports of Republican National Committee funded felonious activities in these states could serve to discourage all voters from voting because of concerns of problems with their ballot. Regardless of party or candidate, it is the civic and moral duty of both parties to encourage complete and full participation in the democratic process.

In the name of democracy, it is essential that you and the Republican National Committee proactively come forward to address this issue, especially since President Bush will be traveling to both of these states immediately following the debate. You can either let this burgeoning Republican scandal fester, or you can come clean with the American people by:

Giving the Election Officials in Nevada and Oregon, the press and the public answers to these questions immediately:

Why is the Republican National Committee funding an organization that is ripping up voter registration forms of Democrats?

Who's behind "Voters Outreach for America" and what is their link to Sproul & Associates?

How much has the RNC paid for "Voters Outreach" and similar groups to engage in voter registration?

Exactly what were these groups instructed to do about voters they registered who freely chose to register as Democrats?

Disclosing to Election officials, attorneys in Nevada and Oregon and press immediately, all documents, correspondence and invoices between the RNC and "Voters Outreach," Sproul and all other groups employed by the RNC to register voters;

Refusing to pay Sproul and any other groups engaged in GOP "registration activities" until all questions can be answered and information disclosed.

Voluntarily agreeing to make knowledgeable RNC officials available for depositions in the litigation being brought by the Democratic Party of Nevada seeking a remedy for the victims of Republican voter registration fraud in that state and any other state or party seeking relief based on RNC funded efforts.

Ed, please let me know right away whether you will agree to these steps which are essential to address the deep fears and concerns voters now have about Republican voter fraud.

Sincerely yours,

Terence R. McAuliffe
Chairman

[Gary Sisco]

Well, if it did happen again, which it won't imho, and the dems are cowardly enough, again, to surrender, again, in the face of it, they'll deserve it, again. Gore conceded. He surrendered. There's no one else to blame and talk of avoiding a constitutional crisis, when there already is one, is no excuse for surrender. That's called rationale. Everyone was outside the constitution at that point, including the Supremes (as Scalia clearly knew, if anyone bothered to read his decision), so it was Gore's and only Gore's decision to capitulate to the rightist putsch. Don't be blaming anyone else. It just makes him look lamer than he is.

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

Well, if it did happen again, which it won't imho, and the dems are cowardly enough, again, to surrender, again, in the face of it, they'll deserve it, again. Gore conceded. He surrendered. There's no one else to blame and talk of avoiding a constitutional crisis, when there already is one, is no excuse for surrender. That's called rationale. Everyone was outside the constitution at that point, including the Supremes (as Scalia clearly knew, if anyone bothered to read his decision), so it was Gore's and only Gore's decision to capitulate to the rightist putsch. Don't be blaming anyone else. It just makes him look lamer than he is.

I still don't find any compelling reason to restrict the blame to Gore. There's plenty of blame to go around. But I'm not focused on blaming people for 2000. I'm focused on dumping Bush in 2004. If a stalemate gets as far as the Supremes, what good would it do Kerry to keep contesting the matter?

[Uli]

Originally Posted by Gary Sisco

Well, if it did happen again, which it won't imho, and the dems are cowardly enough, again, to surrender, again, in the face of it, they'll deserve it, again. Gore conceded. He surrendered. There's no one else to blame and talk of avoiding a constitutional crisis, when there already is one, is no excuse for surrender. That's called rationale. Everyone was outside the constitution at that point, including the Supremes (as Scalia clearly knew, if anyone bothered to read his decision), so it was Gore's and only Gore's decision to capitulate to the rightist putsch. Don't be blaming anyone else. It just makes him look lamer than he is.

What should Gore have done after the Supremes spoke. Mobilize the free people of Vermont?

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by bluenoter

If a stalemate gets as far as the Supremes, what good would it do Kerry to keep contesting the matter?

Originally Posted by Uli

What should Gore have done after the Supremes spoke. Mobilize the free people of Vermont?

Yeah, what?

Originally Posted by claude

Hey congrats on the adoption!

We just got adopted by a kitten that kept showing up at our door. I knew where she was coming from (a couple of students who live in an apartment down the street) and every time I brought her back they didn't seem to give a shit that she got out. This is a ten week old or so kitten in a neighbourhood that is close to a busy street. The last time she came around it was cold and rainy and we kept her in overnight. No sign of anyone looking for her so we said fuck it she's staying. The nicest little kitten you could imagine now and we're taking her to the vet today to get her checked out and vaccinated etc. Our existing cat (Molly) is pissed as hell, but she'll get over it.

Great story, Claude.

Originally Posted by frankiepop

dolan...what's the avatar....is that a lesbian..???

You call my kitty ugly, then I'm supposed to answer your stupid fucking question?

Hahaha.........

The vote is now 10-7 in favor of Bush and his newly clean and efficiently running clock.

Crawjo plays you folks like a finely tuned fiddle.

Excellent job, my friend.

[Gary Sisco]

Well, in most other countries where the people have any spirit, they'd have poured into the streets in protest. But, no ...

The Supremes, too, are subject to the Constitution. If they clearly step outside of it, as they did and as Scalia acknowledges himself when he says that that decision is not to be used as precedent (right -- and why might that be, now?), and if you read the Constitution, you'll see, right at the end, that the states OR the people retain all powers not specifically delegated to the feds in the Constitution itself. Which is to say that they are not ruled. Not by the Supremes, not by anyone. In this here democratic republic, sovereignty resides with the people, and all of the founders acknowledged the right of the people to overrule and overthrow the government if it gets out of their control, meaning outside of the Constitution. Which it did in 2000.

Therefore, if Gore had had any huevos at all, he'd have thrown the shit back in their faces by appealing the court's decision to itself based on obvious constitutional principle, including sovereignty (and obvious political partisanship on the part of Scalia et al) and called on the people to back him up in the streets. Scalia's own "originalism" is forced to acknowledge that, for chrissake.

But, no. Gore just surrendered, before a fight had even begun.

The Supremes are a court, nothing more. The Constitution does not grant them dictatorial powers. Everyone was outside the law during that episode. Only the people at the time were a legitimate power in the United States, according to the Constitution.

But, shit, let's face it, the fight went out of the American people some decades ago. The last organized democratic spirit shown by anyone at all was by the civil rights movement's various factions, especially SNCC.

Since then, Americans have been citizens in name only. In practice, they're subjects and apparently want it that way.

[Jesse]

Gary:
If you knew me at all, you'd get a chuckle at my raising the point that popular movements in this country still own any vitality or momentum, BUT...

I would append to your statement above, as a participant locally, and a reader of the press coverage world-wide, that in the creeping up to the March/03 invasion of Iraq, the numbers & plurality of participants in the anti-war demonstrations & actions were unprecedented. Viz. Vietnam, the war raged a long while before any comparable uprising occured.
The stake in the heart of popular protest for me was almost immediately in the wake of the invasion. Protests world-wide lapsed into the cynicism & acquiesence. I hope you haven't.

Sick of it all my damn self,
Jesse