November-9th-2004, 02:11 PM
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The new "Old Real Book" 6th Edition
Hal Leonard has just published a semi-clone of the old original "The Real Book".
The first thing I noticed when I got my copy was that the cover is paper and they used very light weight paper for the pages. And some of the pages are out of sequence, for example: Lush Life page 2 come three pages later than Lush Life page 1. They left out some of the old obscure fusion tunes but still kept in far to many of those useless charts. They did add a number of Irving Berlin, Cole Porter and Gershwin tunes.
I was sorry to see some of these great standards were
NOT INCLUDED:
Alone Together
Days Of Wine And Roses
The Dolphin
Gentle Rain
Goodbye Pork Pie Hat
Green Dolphin Street
In Your Own Sweet Way
Just Friends
Night And Day
Shadow Of Your Smile
Serenade To A Cuckoo
Last edited by petros; November-9th-2004 at 04:47 PM.
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November-9th-2004, 04:35 PM
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6 dim
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How about 'Hotel Hello', is that still there?
A jam session favorite.
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November-9th-2004, 04:45 PM
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You must be kidding, I don't get your point. "Hello Hotel" by Steve Swallow is not a standard at jam sessions, it's practicaly unreadable. And it is not included in the new edition. I guess about half of those obscure fusion era tunes are left out in the new edition.
Last edited by petros; November-9th-2004 at 04:54 PM.
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November-9th-2004, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
How about 'Hotel Hello', is that still there?
A jam session favorite.
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Uh, is that a joke or something? 
Of course it is...and it's hysterical to boot!
Although, to confess, I actually bought HH because of those PAGES and PAGES of those tunes in the Real Book.
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November-10th-2004, 04:42 PM
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6 dim
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Originally Posted by J Lee
Uh, is that a joke or something?
Of course it is...and it's hysterical to boot!
Although, to confess, I actually bought HH because of those PAGES and PAGES of those tunes in the Real Book. |
I don't like to use the cute icons. I figured my brilliant rapier wit would translate easily without the wink.
I've never heard that record but what I've heard of Swallow I like.
It's always been a standing bandstand joke "what's it gonna be Hotel Hello".
No disrespect intended to Mr. Swallow.
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November-12th-2004, 09:03 AM
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6 dim
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Curious.
What are the changes listed for Daahoud bars 5-8?
Thanks
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November-12th-2004, 04:17 PM
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Vibes player
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Originally Posted by petros
Hal Leonard has just published a semi-clone of the old original "The Real Book".
The first thing I noticed when I got my copy was that the cover is paper and they used very light weight paper for the pages. And some of the pages are out of sequence, for example: Lush Life page 2 come three pages later than Lush Life page 1. They left out some of the old obscure fusion tunes but still kept in far to many of those useless charts. They did add a number of Irving Berlin, Cole Porter and Gershwin tunes.
I was sorry to see some of these great standards were
NOT INCLUDED:
Alone Together
Days Of Wine And Roses
The Dolphin
Gentle Rain
Goodbye Pork Pie Hat
Green Dolphin Street
In Your Own Sweet Way
Just Friends
Night And Day
Shadow Of Your Smile
Serenade To A Cuckoo
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Sweet jesus-- are you serious?!
Oh god, Days of Wine and Roses has always been the second song my combo plays at gigs ><. That's so stupid.
AND GREEN DOLPHIN STREET TOO?! BLASPHEMY.
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November-13th-2004, 09:33 AM
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I'm pretty sure those tunes were left out because of licensing issues, not because some suit made the arbitrary decision that they didn't need to be in there. Since this version is "legal" the composer/publisher must give permission, and if they say no, then the tune is out.
Last edited by Jeff Albert; November-13th-2004 at 09:34 AM.
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November-13th-2004, 11:30 PM
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Ring those bells!!
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by A. Kingstone
Curious.
What are the changes listed for Daahoud bars 5-8?
Thanks
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Good question, books seem vary. Real Book 1 = Eb6 /Cb7-Bb7 /Ebmima7/%
Jazz Fake Bk = Eb6 /Cb7-Bb7 /Ebma7/%
Jazz Library = Emi7-Eb7/Abmi7-Bb7-/Eb/%
I personally like #2, the Jazz Fake Bk changes but seems a lot of people are using the Real Book 1 as their Bible. 
Last edited by Vibeman; November-13th-2004 at 11:31 PM.
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November-14th-2004, 10:18 AM
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Vibes player
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Originally Posted by Jeff Albert
I'm pretty sure those tunes were left out because of licensing issues, not because some suit made the arbitrary decision that they didn't need to be in there. Since this version is "legal" the composer/publisher must give permission, and if they say no, then the tune is out.
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Yeah, you're probably right. Still, it's a shame that they're not included 
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November-18th-2004, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Albert
I'm pretty sure those tunes were left out because of licensing issues, not because some suit made the arbitrary decision that they didn't need to be in there. Since this version is "legal" the composer/publisher must give permission, and if they say no, then the tune is out.
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All of those tunes are in this edition; originally to avoid duplication, probably:
[I have a coupla Hal Leonard fakebooks, sloppy shit.]
Last edited by jazzbluescat; November-18th-2004 at 07:40 PM.
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November-18th-2004, 10:30 PM
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The font is smaller in the new Hal Leonard version and the contrast is not very sharp. They used very low quality paper and ink.
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November-24th-2004, 01:16 AM
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Bob Keller
Join Date: Nov 2004
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More volumes to come?
Somewhere (in the 6th edition itself, I think, but I don't have it handy)
I noticed that the hint that more volumes are forthcoming.
The old real book set had three roughly-equal size volumes,
at least before they started identifying them by edition.
Some of these tunes will probably appear in the other volumes.
Despite the claim that they have "corrected all the mistakes", there
are some (possibly new ones) in the notes/changes in the 6th edition.
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November-24th-2004, 05:25 PM
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Vibes player
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So I was talking to a friend who has the new real book and she said that it definately had Days of Wine and Roses 
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November-29th-2004, 01:06 PM
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She may be thinking of "The New Real Book" is by Chuck Sher.
I looked for Days Of Wine and Roses again last night in my Hal Leonard Real Book and it's not in the table of contents or in the D title section.
Last edited by petros; November-29th-2004 at 01:11 PM.
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November-29th-2004, 04:16 PM
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Vibes player
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Really. That's really strange, because I know she has the right one-- she showed it to me. Maybe they messed up or something...
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December-5th-2004, 08:13 PM
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Checked it twice and just now again for the third time. I find no "Days of Wine and Roses" in the table of contents under "D" for "Days" or in the chart section.
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December-7th-2004, 03:22 PM
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Ring those bells!!
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Originally Posted by drumultima
Really. That's really strange, because I know she has the right one-- she showed it to me. Maybe they messed up or something...
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DrumUltima, sorry man,
Days of Wine and Roses is only in the Real Book 1 and The Colorado Book. I checked all the others, Real Book 2, Real Book 3, New Real Book 1, 2 and 3 by Sher Music, Hall Leonard Real Jazz Book and the Ultimate Jazz Fake Book. It is, however, also in the The STANDARDS Real Book by Sher Music Co. page 105; maybe that is the one she is talking about. Seems what Petro said was that about a "cloned" copy of the Real Book. So, maybe that is the misunderstanding here.
Keep vibing,
Vibeman
Last edited by Vibeman; December-7th-2004 at 03:29 PM.
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September-10th-2005, 01:03 PM
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paulourinho
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Los Angeles
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New Real Book 6th Edition
They took out Serenade to a Cuckoo?.....They must've gone cuckoo... 
Seriously, though, that 6th edition really is bad...I tried to take mine back...Hey Vibeman, thanks for those changes...they're much better than the ones in the book
Paulourinho
Last edited by paulourinho; September-10th-2005 at 01:08 PM.
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September-11th-2005, 08:07 PM
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Peace and Light!
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The Really Old New Real Old New Book has everything I ever need. Hard to find, though.
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September-13th-2005, 03:21 PM
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"Don't use Fake Books. They're fake."
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