Who Should Replace Chris A?

[crawjo]

Now that Chris A is gone, I think we need to consider a replacement. Jazzy Mary started a thread campaigning for DEEP, but I think there are others we should think about bringing back.

In order to truly replace Chris A, though, the new guy would need to be a whiz-bang cut-and-paster. I'm not talking about just Ctrl C and then Ctrl V, I'm talking the right font sizes, font colors, etc., to create a truly pleasing visual experience.

Also, the new guy should know a lot about jazz, but he should spend almost all of his time ranting against the Bush administration. With Chris A gone, where are all the anti-Bush threads? Oh sure, the rest of us make an effort, but can any of us claim to be as productive as the departed Mr. Albertson? It is a ridiculous question.

So, with that in mind, please carefully consider the above candidates, and then cast your vote. Who gets to come back on the island?

[Richardo Caerleoni]

For what it's worth (maybe not much) I think we (OK this board) should ask Chris to re-consider? We can all get uptight at times - and I think Chris had some right to get upset - but there is a wealth of knowledge there you or I will never see again...a bit of humility on both sides?

BTW , Saw Sam Rivers in the UK (Bath) on Weds night and he, the trio and the RB were bloody amazing....Rivers ...81 going on 31! He is playing in London tonight and I am desp. trying to get tickets...

RC. (Sorry to get off thread...but blown away)

[sonic1]

I don't know most of those guys on the list. But you can't just replace Chris A. First of all the replacement must be equivalent.

I vote to try to get Chris A. back. Make Lois write an apology letter.

[bostontricky]

Originally Posted by Chris A

January 30, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST

Where's the Apology?

Found this leading off the "Today's Opinions" thread...

I know this isn't between Chris and Crouch, but Crouch has "posted" here once in what, a month? Fuck that shit.

[Gordon B]

Originally Posted by sonic1

I don't know most of those guys on the list. But you can't just replace Chris A. First of all the replacement must be equivalent.

I vote to try to get Chris A. back. Make Lois write an apology letter.

I think we need to break the following cycle:

1. Person A announces makes a grand announcement that he's quitting the board.
2. A large number of posts plead with the poster to reconsider.
3. The poster returns, ego assuaged.

If a poster decides to stop posting, he should leave without fanfare. That's classier than the way I outlined above. If he chooses to come back later, fine.

[Captain Hate]

Originally Posted by sonic1

Make Lois write an apology letter.

That's pretty funny.

[Enforcer]

Nobody ever leaves. Gordon has the formula right. That's how it usually works. My favorite statement is, "That's the last thing I'm going to say on this thread." What that really means is, "I hope you stop talking about it now or don't say anything I feel a strong need to contradict, because then I will come back, of course, and have to eat my words."

[sonic1]

ah, Gordon just wants the liberal gone. He is just trying to even out the liberal/conservative balence.

[clinthopson]

C'mon. you're kidding. What happened with ChrisA? We need folks like Chris with his encyclopedic knowledge and decades of real experience with our music.

OK, so he's a bit opinionated and can be a bit salty, but he adds a lot more here than some of the frequent posters that I won't mention.

The disastrous election got a lot of us pretty worked up. It's over now and time to move on/ Of course when impeachment time rolls around all bets are off.

As far as LDB, the same goes, but I've asked him to promise to cut out his naughty behaviour.

If folks don't like these guys, there's always the ignore button.

Geeeeeez..........


What did I get banned for this time?!

[bostontricky]

I agree totally with Clint's assessment, that we need more people with Chris' encyclopedic knowledge and decades of real experience with our music. Otherwise, we're going to have a JazzCorner full of Montes.

Originally Posted by Gordon B

I think we need to break the following cycle:

1. Person A announces makes a grand announcement that he's quitting the board.
2. A large number of posts plead with the poster to reconsider.
3. The poster returns, ego assuaged.

Chris broke that cycle, big-time. He pulled the BBS equivalent of the Grinch That Stole Christmas, taking all the light bulbs out of the sockets and anything that wasn't bolted down as he departed. And not only deleting as many of his posts as he could, but magnanimously leaving his calling card at every deleted post.

I think any JCers with an archivist bent could create "The Virtual Chris Albertson" by doing a little Googling. Perhaps without the copious cutting and pasting (although I agreed with 99% of what Chris reposted here from my morning newspapers) but nonetheless the Virtual Chris A Project would stand as a tribute to Chris' knowledge, restoring as much of his wisdom as possible to the board.

[Dr Dave]

Albertson wrote a book about Bessie Smith. He has a long career in jazz writing. None of this changes the fact that he's a self-righteous asshole. Boring, too. Fuck him.

[Monte Smith]

No one can replace:


Mr. Sunshine

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by clinthopson

As far as LDB, the same goes, but I've asked him to promise to cut out his naughty behaviour.

If folks don't like these guys, there's always the ignore button.

I'm assuming that LDB = DEEP.

If you don't care how abusive DEEP is to others--including Lois, largely behind her back--or you aren't subject to his abuse, there's always communicating with him privately. There's also hanging out with DEEP on other jazz boards. Oh, wait; he was banned from two other jazz boards too.

Lois has certain standards for this board, and DEEP obviously can't adhere to them (or keep his promises to "cut out his naughty behavior"). She can't instruct visitors to the board--including potential JC members and clients--to put DEEP on their Ignore lists.

[Richardo Caerleoni]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

Albertson wrote a book about Bessie Smith. He has a long career in jazz writing. None of this changes the fact that he's a self-righteous asshole. Boring, too. Fuck him.

Dave, I think Chris had rather more than this parody? Jazz writing..it's that easy? Really ? No research? What about the producing? The records....What about the interviews? Read the interviews with Lester and Adderley...remarkable. What about the sheer dedication to do this when NO ONE ELSE WAS INTERESTED? He had a right to be proud. A hell of a lot more than Crouch

I am not carrying a flag...but for Christ's sake..."boring...fuck him"? Really?

What is REALLY Boring is X is better than Y...that is real debate?

Everyone here seems on a flake "reflex"...maybe post (your) election...

OK, its an NY website and if you want to keep it that way fine, you have worked hard to sustain it...Christ, It's not just Bush that's insular....

Oddly, I heard Ravi Coltrane last night (Brilliant) in London (Jazz Fest) saying he wanted out of the US after the election....OK, a joke...I'm sure his scene and heart is the US.


But for some of us, A lot Better things to do. Elsewhere.

Bye ya..to coin a phrase.

RC. Shame, it was a great site.

[steve(thelil)]

Funny. Unintentionally funny, but funny. Glad he's not gonna see this or respond or anything.

[crawjo]

The short version is this: Lois inviting Stanley Crouch onto the board to challenge Chris's statements on the Jazz @ LC drove Chris to the brink of insanity, and then he left.

Ironic, considering that Chris almost never posted on jazz topics, that it would be something about jazz that would finish him off.

[cookie]

Originally Posted by Gordon B

I think we need to break the following cycle:

1. Person A announces makes a grand announcement that he's quitting the board.
2. A large number of posts plead with the poster to reconsider.
3. The poster returns, ego assuaged.

If a poster decides to stop posting, he should leave without fanfare. That's classier than the way I outlined above. If he chooses to come back later, fine.

I have been tempted to do that a few times. I just figured that it wasn't worth it and someone might say "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."

Still, when you feel that people ignore or hold you in contempt, it can be an attractive thought to make a big dramatic exit and tell people exactly why you're pissed off. I think it's better to just stop reading or posting to the boards.

[crawjo]

Also interesting that, after his orgy of deleting, Chris A left with exactly 5,000 posts.

I'd say he's like the Roberto Clemente of JazzCorner, except that instead of meeting his end while carrying relief supplies to a devastated island, he exited stage left after Stanley Crouch made just one post. One post destroyed 5,000. It's like Chris A is the bad guy in the Karate Kid movies, kicking Danny's ass for the entire fight until Danny pulls out one move to finish him off.

[bostontricky]

So who's Crouch going to take out with his next post?

(Don't hold your breath waiting...)

[Ron Thorne]

With all due respect, what is the purpose of this thread? And, why is Scott Dolan's name among the Poll Options? Scott doesn't need to be "allowed back". What am I missing here?

Furthermore, why should we seek replacements for JC members? Posters come, posters go. Some have more to contribute than others, based upon years on the planet, life experience(s) ... you name it. To lump Chris Albertson in with Archtop Wonder (Conan) and Alex is an exercise in futility and a bit of a disservice to us all, inasmuch as Chris has experienced far more than those two combined, whether you like Chris' posts or not.

Oh, and Crouch didn't take out anyone, trust me.

[Jesse]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Larry Nagel

Nobody ever leaves.

Zen.

...I will come back, of course, and have to eat my words."

Or crow.

[Richardo Caerleoni]

Originally Posted by crawjo

Also interesting that, after his orgy of deleting, Chris A left with exactly 5,000 posts.

I'd say he's like the Roberto Clemente of JazzCorner, except that instead of meeting his end while carrying relief supplies to a devastated island, he exited stage left after Stanley Crouch made just one post. One post destroyed 5,000. It's like Chris A is the bad guy in the Karate Kid movies, kicking Danny's ass for the entire fight until Danny pulls out one move to finish him off.

So, you are c .4900 plus posts...and still stranding?...SO WHAT?

Who would I rather read - no contest?

This is/was a JAZZ website...everyone’s’s politics/those who wanted were clear...and Chris had a defined agenda....very openly expressed. No mistake. If you didn't agree, don't read it. Or hit back.

I have no problem with it - equally Scott - totally disagreed with him. BUT it was said with humour...and ...he was right on the day. Unfortunately.

"For God's sake” (to quote Mingus!) this is JAZZ CORNER and should be about the music?

How narrow to you want to become? Crouch posted one missive (by proxy) and you are STILL arguing over it! Who the hell cares?

Get over it and move on.

RC.....Steve Coleman is playing in London tomorrow night....It's called JAZZ! Best to all.

[sonic1]

Originally Posted by Monte Smith

No one can replace:


Mr. Sunshine

Oy Monte. You are sunshine yourself....

[Ron Thorne]

I'm very envious of your recent live jazz experiences, Richardo. Good for you!

[crawjo]

What the hell is wrong with you guys? It's a light-hearted thread, that's the point. There is no other point. And yes, duh, Scott Dolan is still here. It's a fucking joke.

Jesus.

[bluenoter]

Originally Posted by crawjo

What the hell is wrong with you guys? It's a light-hearted thread, that's the point. There is no other point. And yes, duh, Scott Dolan is still here. It's a fucking joke.

Jesus.

Crawjo--

I know that the thread and the poll were supposed to be a joke, but I think that some of the responders have taken them seriously or used them as a place to register serious concerns. A precedent was set by fairly serious threads and polls about whether so-and-so should be banned/reinstated--aimed at influencing Lois's decisions--and I think that there's a certain psychological adjustment to be made when one encounters a joke thread and poll along those lines.

[crawjo]

Originally Posted by bluenoter

Crawjo--

I know that the thread and the poll were supposed to be a joke, but I think that some of the responders have taken them seriously or used them as a place to register serious concerns. A precedent was set by fairly serious threads and polls about whether so-and-so should be banned/reinstated--aimed at influencing Lois's decisions--and I think that there's a certain psychological adjustment to be made when one encounters a joke thread and poll along those lines.

Okay, fair enough. Then I hope your post will speed people along the path to psychological readjustment.

It was just a joke!

Originally Posted by bluenoter

Crawjo--

I know that the thread and the poll were supposed to be a joke, but I think that some of the responders have taken them seriously or used them as a place to register serious concerns. A precedent was set by fairly serious threads and polls about whether so-and-so should be banned/reinstated--aimed at influencing Lois's decisions--and I think that there's a certain psychological adjustment to be made when one encounters a joke thread and poll along those lines.

[hornplayer]

No one.

Each of us is unique, and contributes to the overall fabric of the bbs. No one can replace any of us.

I'm really sad that Chris found it necessary to leave, but I find this thread incredibly insensitive.