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Old November-16th-2004, 09:46 AM   #1
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Finally! The Beatles Albums (US) on CD

A quibble for accuracy's sake: The Beatles had next to nothing to do, in those early days, with choosing what songs in what order went on their albums, in the UK or the US. Hardly any artists did in those days, and The Beatles, at the point talked about here, were not yet powerful enough in the music world to run ting as they saw fit. Also, UK records may have had more songs, but lps had better fidelity the less music per side. So, you choose. More songs or fewer and different songs, with better sound. Having grown up hearing these records thousands of times, I'm very excited to finally be able to hear them again -- on CD.

Critic's Notebook: Early Beatles, U.S. Style

November 16, 2004
By ALLAN KOZINN

The clamor began on this side of the Atlantic the moment
EMI released the Beatles' albums on CD in 1987. American
collectors who in their youth wore out copies of albums
with titles like "Meet the Beatles," "Something New,"
"Beatles '65" and "Yesterday and Today" were unable to find
those discs.

What EMI had done was eminently sensible. The label,
together with Apple, the Beatles' company, had decided that
on CD the Beatles recordings would follow the British
discography, using the songs, album titles, cover art and
liner notes that the group and its producer, George Martin,
assembled and approved in the 1960's. These were the
Ur-text. They were also the versions available in most of
the world.

But they were not the albums American collectors knew, and
given the size of the American market that is not an
insignificant point. It may be that the British albums
followed the history of the Beatles as most of the world -
and not least, the Beatles themselves - knew it. But for
millions of listeners in the United States, the history of
the band's music unfolded a bit differently, and when the
first CD's were released, American fans discovered albums
that bore only a vague resemblance to those they knew.

"With the Beatles," for example, uses the same cover photo
as "Meet the Beatles" - the four Beatles, in turtlenecks
and partly in shadow - but has a largely different track
list. Taking the disc out of that familiar cover, listeners
in the United States wanted to hear the energetic opening
chords of "I Want to Hold Your Hand." What they got was the
vocal introduction to "It Won't Be Long." Similarly,
"Beatles for Sale" offered a lineup close to what American
listeners knew as "Beatles '65," but without the big hits
of the time, "She's a Woman" and "I Feel Fine."

Many listeners have been dissatisfied ever since and have
filled fan magazines and Beatles-related Web sites with
pleas for the release of the albums they knew and loved.
With the release today of "The Capitol Albums, Vol. 1"
(Capitol), a set that brings together "Meet the Beatles,"
"The Beatles' Second Album," "Something New" and "Beatles
'65," all from 1964, these collectors can begin to rest
easy.

As it turns out, even collectors who were never
particularly nostalgic about the American albums and who
believe that EMI and Apple should be pursuing other
priorities - and I count myself among them - have reason to
admire this set. The label has gone the extra mile in
dealing with fan obsessiveness. It has used the Capitol
masters from the 1960's, rather than remixing the tracks or
recompiling them from the existing CD's. That was necessary
because Capitol's postproduction methods yielded a sound
quite unlike that of the British recordings.

Moreover, the set includes both the mono and stereo mixes
of each album, a move that not only restores more than 30
stereo tracks to the catalog (the early albums were
released on CD in mono only), but also preserves mixing and
editing anomalies that are unavailable elsewhere. An
example: the mono version of "I'll Cry Instead" has an
extra verse spliced in, something not found in the American
stereo or British mono and stereo versions.

I'm finding this set a guilty pleasure. Sure, I grew up
with these albums, and I played them to death, going
through several copies of each as they acquired the skips
and scratches that naturally accrue to a vinyl LP played 20
times a day on substandard equipment.

But once I discovered the British versions, in a Greenwich
Village import shop in 1968, and realized that those were
the albums the Beatles thought they were making, the
American discs began to seem bowdlerized and illegitimate.

It was easy to find the Capitol discs objectionable. They
seemed to trample on the Beatles' creative intentions, and
for all the wrong reasons. Where the British albums
typically offered 14 tracks, Capitol's offered 10 or 12. It
was also Capitol's policy to treat singles as drawing
cards: if you liked the hit, you would buy the album. The
Beatles took a different view. With only a handful of
exceptions, they adhered to a policy of keeping albums and
singles separate. For them, why should a fan who bought the
single have to buy those songs again on an LP?

Because the Beatles produced an album every six months in
those early days, as well as a few singles (and even, in
one case, a four-song EP), Capitol's policies made it
possible to release three LP's for every two released in
England. That approach persisted until 1967, when even
Capitol's executives realized that dissecting and
redistributing the songs on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts
Club Band" would be seen as an act of cultural vandalism.

Capitol had some sound issues as well. American listeners,
Capitol executives believed, liked a bit more reverb than
British producers used. Maybe they were right: disc jockeys
back then sounded as though they were broadcasting from
echo chambers, and hit records often sounded that way, too.
So Capitol's engineers added reverb to the original
recordings. They also, when only a mono recording was
available - mainly in the case of the singles - created
what they called duophonic mixes for the stereo LP's. This
involved splitting the mono signal into two channels,
boosting the bass on one and the treble on the other,
introducing a slight delay between the channels, and adding
reverb - all of which fooled the ear into hearing a
recording as stereo.

Having ignored the American discs all these years, my
memory was that these techniques yielded a horrifyingly
muddy sound. But revisiting them on CD, I found that songs
like "Roll Over Beethoven" (real stereo, with reverb
added), "She Loves You," "You Can't Do That" and "I'll Get
You" (all duophonic) actually sound more vibrant than the
British versions.

No doubt some unbidden nostalgia has been creeping in.
Tampered with though it may be, this is the sound so many
of us fell in love with in 1964. And although the albums
were cobbled together - "The Beatles' Second Album," for
example, is a stew of "With the Beatles" tracks that didn't
fit on "Meet the Beatles" and songs that had been released
on singles and on an EP - they flow in a way that has its
own logic, if only that of deeply ingrained memory.

And maybe it's time to give Capitol's production staff a
measure of belated respect and to recognize, however
heretical it may seem, that in some cases their sequences
work better than the Beatles' own. In its American
incarnation, "Rubber Soul" (an album that will presumably
be included in "The Capitol Albums, Vol. 2" along with
"Beatles VI" and "The Early Beatles") begins with "I've
Just Seen a Face," an acoustic track that starts with an
assertive, beautifully detailed, fingerpicked guitar
figure. In Britain, the song was virtually a throwaway,
lost on Side 2 of the "Help!" album, released a few months
earlier. But it thrives on "Rubber Soul," and given that
the album is largely acoustic, it makes a better opener
than the electric, bluesy "Drive My Car," which kicks off
the British version.

Still, now that the demand for the American albums is being
addressed, perhaps EMI and Apple can get down to more
pressing business. The British CD's desperately need a
sonic update, and the release of the stereo mixes of the
first four albums, as well as the mono mixes of everything
from "Help!" through the "White Album," are long overdue.
And DVD versions of "The Beatles Anthology" and "Yellow
Submarine" proved that surround-sound mixes of the band's
full catalog are likely to be revelatory as well. Just
about every important band from the 1960's and 70's has had
its catalog revamped since 1987. It's amazing that the
Beatles have let substandard CD's represent them for so
long.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/16/ar...1094ef0da5f9fa
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Old November-16th-2004, 11:52 PM   #2
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Here's some interesting info/trivia re: Beatles US releases at this terrific discography.

Capitol sure made a mess of Revolver and UA mangled A Hard Day's Night! I may fork out for the Capitol box (vol.1) though.
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Old November-17th-2004, 03:25 AM   #3
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Interesting. I was one who wore out those Amercian Beatles albums, and I still haven't bought any Beatles on CD. Now I might. The value for me is primarily nostalgia.
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Old November-17th-2004, 07:53 AM   #4
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I bought some of the UK version CDs but don't play them much. They all sound like greatest hits comps to me. I've gone so far as to make my own imaginary Beatles albums out of them. I'll pick up the first box for sure and probably Vol 2, and then sell the UK version CDs. I have little interest in them post-Revolver these days. Actually, it's closer to post-Rubber Soul. It'll be cool to have the mono versions as well. In those years, they recorded 4-track, so the stereo separation sounds completely artificial, with vocals on one side, and the instruments on the other.

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Old November-17th-2004, 09:44 AM   #5
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All this begs the really important question on everyone's mind: Is Paul dead?
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Old November-17th-2004, 09:48 AM   #6
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Old November-17th-2004, 05:15 PM   #7
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Oh, I think the UK have far superior track listings and were the way the albums were originally intended. The suggestion that the Beatles had no say in them is absurd. They hated the US Revolver and stopped Sgt. Pepper being butchered by meddling yanks. It's hilarious that US record companies actually think they can improve the original releases. Though, it's probably less important with the earlier albums because they were just a bunch of songs and track order was less important. Why capitol would ruin Help or alter the track order of Rubber Soul is beyond me. Help really needed the George Martin Orchestra playing the James Bond Theme and other nonsense. YUK!

Vee Jay, Capitol Records and UA all have a lot to answer for. The UK releases make a lot more sense rather than those crazy yank butcherings. The cover art on the US releases has a tackiness absent from the more tastefull UK releases.
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Old November-17th-2004, 05:38 PM   #8
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I bought some of the UK version CDs but don't play them much. They all sound like greatest hits comps to me.
What? UK Beatles albums were anything but greatest hits comps.

Please Please Me - two singles (Love Me Do, Please Please Me)

With The Beatles - no singles

A Hard Days' Night - one single (A Hard Days' Night)

Beatles For Sale - no singles

Help! - two singles (Help!, Ticket To Ride)

Rubber Soul - no singles

Revolver - one single (Yellow Submarine)

Unless you mean that because the songs are so familiar to you, but in a different order, that they feel like greatest hits albums? Or because there were so many more US 45s in the early days?

I'll stick up for the UK versions of the records, not through any nostalgic thing but because on the earlier albums it's what George Martin thought was the right order. He had a sense of what worked artistically as well as commercially, rather than the solely commercial plundering of the recordings that happened in the US*. I think George Martin is a much underrated influence on their early recordings.The Beatles learned quickly but, individually and collectively, they had to have someone to learn from (cf Dylan, Ravi Shankar, Maharishi, Yoko Ono, etc etc). Just because he looked like an RAF officer doesn't mean he didn't have creative input.

Also, I don't think there's any need for reverbed up versions of the stuff on CD. There may well be tiny variations between US and UK versions of "You Can't Do That", but I'd be quite happy for them to stay the province of vinyl collectors. And while in the short term it's another boost to Capitol/EMI's coffers (like they need it) it just causes more confusion in the marketplace. Look at the mess that the Rolling Stone's 60s catalogue is. What's required, as so many people have said in the last few years, is remastered mono/stereo versions of all the original UK albums, plus the Past Masters colections. Then leave slightly longer fadeouts to sad obsessives.

* "Beatles VI"? Jesus. The fuck-up over the US "Revolver"? And as for the Vee-Jay albums...
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I wrote all that before I saw JBW's post. We're singing from the same hymn sheet, brother.
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Old November-17th-2004, 05:44 PM   #10
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Although I was raised with the U.S. albums, I do like the U.K. versions better. The Parlophone "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver" were the ones I bought -- well after the fact, it must be said.

But having heard my siblings' copies of those earlier U.S. versions for so many years, I understand what Gary is saying. If those are the albums you knew, they will be the ones to which you respond emotionally. Logic doesn't have much to do with it.
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If you're talking Revolver or Sgt Pepper era, alright. But if you think the Beatles had the power on their early lps -- or Martin -- to decide these things, you're wrong. They didn't. They very nearly didn't get recorded or signed at all, and most music biz people thought they were a flash to make a lot of money off of before they disappeared. By the time of Revolver they were big enough to have control over nearly everything, but not in the early days, not in the UK, not in the US. The business didn't work that way, then. Still doesn't unless you're talking of the biggest of the big time.

Second, the more music on a side of an lp, the lower the fidelity, so the US versions had better sound, and editing.

Third, as you've pointed out, whatever people think today, tens of millions of Americans heard the albums in their US version, thousands of times. Hearing the UK versions does sound like some kind of compilation to ears that first heard the records as they came out here. Revolver (UK) has songs on it that to American ears old enough to have been around then that were heard on previous records, esp Yesterday And Today. And Rubber Soul (UK), the same. Hence, they just don't sound right. Imagine if you bought a copy of Kind Of Blue today and the song order was all different, including cuts from Someday My Prince Will Come and other records but not "So What." That's what the UK Beatles records sound like to me. Plus, they don't include some of the best songs ("This Boy," "I've Just Seen A Face," and others) that the US versions had. Rubber Soul in the US opened with "I've Just Seen A Face," which isn't on the UK version. Shit's fucked up if you remember the record as you first encountered it, which it's almost impossible not to do. I've heard the US versions of those albums thousands of times more than the UK versions.

In any case, people who like the UK versions will still be able to buy them. Until now, people who prefered the US versions, have not been able to, in CD form. So, now they can. End of complaint, end of controversy. I'll be able to listen to what to my ears are the original versions and sell the UK versions, which I don't listen to much anyway, because they annoy me for reasons already stated. The lps I listened to most as a youth were "Meet The Beatles," "Second Album," "Something New," and "Yesterday And Today," none of which have been available until now on CD. I'll be glad to have them again.

I don't care so much about the Revolver song order anymore because by then the band was already well on into its fragmentation, with songs sounding like each of the composers but not like the band as a band. It has some great songs on it, but as a whole and as a band performance, it lacks the earlier cohesiveness and is much more individualistic. Silly, even, in places. To my ears, Rubber Soul was the last lp that sounded like the Beatles, the band. After that, they sound like four guys who play well together and who each write (often) good songs, but they don't sound as much like one thing, one band, as they did before. Mileage may vary. That's the way I hear the records.

Now, if Capital would release "Hey, Jude" (the album) on CD, and EMI "Rock And Roll," I'd be a happy Beatles geezer.

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If you're talking Revolver or Sgt Pepper era, alright. But if you think the Beatles had the power on their early lps -- or Martin -- to decide these things, you're wrong. They didn't.
I think Martin did. A&R men - especially those with a reputation like George Martin did, even then, had enough power to sort out the track sequence of an album. If they chose the singles, which Martin assuredly did, they chose the LP track listing.

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Second, the more music on a side of an lp, the lower the fidelity, so the US versions had better sound, and editing.
If everything else is equal, the less music more fidelity argument is true. They'll certainly be louder. I haven't compared the two, but early UK Beatles albums weren't that long anyway. Even "Rubber Soul" and 'Revolver" are only 35 minutes long in their UK versions, hardly enough to cause fidelity problems. Besides, if they're reissued on CD these problems won't occur.

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Third, as you've pointed out, whatever people think today, tens of millions of Americans heard the albums in their US version, thousands of times. Hearing the UK versions does sound like some kind of compilation to ears that first heard the records as they came out here.
Cool, I was confused before but now I see where you're coming from.

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I don't care so much about the Revolver song order anymore because by then the band was already well on into its fragmentation, with songs sounding like each of the composers but not like the band as a band. It has some great songs on it, but as a whole and as a band performance, it lacks the earlier cohesiveness and is much more individualistic. Silly, even, in places. To my ears, Rubber Soul was the last lp that sounded like the Beatles, the band. After that, they sound like four guys who play well together and who each write (often) good songs, but they don't sound as much like one thing, one band, as they did before. Mileage may vary. That's the way I hear the records.
Interesting. I'd say that really set in when they went to India, but nothing is ever that clear cut. I prefer "Rubber Soul"-onward Beatles, but I wasn't around when it was all happening as I surmise that you were. I virtually learnt to read from the lyric bags of the "1962-66" compilation but I can't really listen to pre-65 Beatles for pleasure anymore.

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Now, if Capital would release "Hey, Jude" (the album) on CD, and EMI "Rock And Roll," I'd be a happy Beatles geezer.
Oh, please! Horrible compilations, especially the first! To use your Miles analogy, would you applaud an album with "My Funny Valentine" alongside "Miles Runs The Voodoo Down"? There have been some bad compilations of all sorts of artists over the year, do they all have to be reissued? Next..."Beatles Ballads".

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Old November-18th-2004, 05:19 PM   #13
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would you applaud an album with "My Funny Valentine" alongside "Miles Runs The Voodoo Down"?
Why not? I'd even applaud a Boplicity/Black Satin juxtaposition.
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George Martin and Brian Epstein both disapproved of Capitol's butchering of thier carefuly chosen running orders. I agree with Alastair too the Beatles Revolver and after was superior to the early stuff and just coz Gary doesn't like late Beatles that dosn't make it ok to butcher an album that many fans consider the best album the band ever made. I could always tell Paul songs from John songs and it's well known that the Lennon/McCartney songwriting partnership diverged pretty early on. For most of the Beatles career, their partnership was a formal arrangement each writing their own songs with maybe a tweak or two here and there from the other. They have completely different styles and can be easily picked by listening.

I've ordered Capitol Vol.1 because I think it matters less with the early albums, it's a handy way of getting all those songs in one hit and I don't own any early Beatles on CD. I dread to think what Vol.2 will be like however.
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I never said anything was "okay" or not "okay," especially "butchering" any albums. I just said that if you heard the albums that way when they were new (many, many times, as they were inescapable, not just on your own stereo), they don't sound "right" other ways.

I do maintain that they began losing their *band* sound post-Rubber Soul, and moreso with each album, and that the American releases had some of their best songs that the UK releases don't. I didn't say what anyone else ought to like or not like. George Harrison said they were at their best as a rock and roll band while in Germany, before they recorded. And it was as a rock and roll band that I was introduced to them as a kid (I've literally been a Beatles fan for 4/5 of my life.... sigh), that's the way I prefer them. Their later stuff is too "Sixties" for my taste, and I don't think a lot of it ages well *as rock and roll.* A few weeks ago, I tried listening to Magical Mystery Tour, which I used to like, and couldn't get through it. There are some great songs on it, but as an album, it doesn't cut it anymore. Sgt Pepper I haven't been able to listen to in decades. The White Album I recently edited down to 40 minutes and like that version quite well, thanks. I also edited and combined (what the hell -- the records weren't the same from one place to another anyway) to create an imaginary album called Soul Revolver, that rocks fe true.

Not everyone likes everything, or can. The rock of the latter 60s and on into the 70s, Beatles or whoever, didn't age well, to my ears. As subcultural reflection/nostalgia, perhaps, but as rock and roll, most of it doesn't make it for me. But, then, like that generation of rock and roll musicians, I much prefer the r'n'r and r'n'b of the 50s to anything that came later. 'S the way it is to these ears.

As I said, your mileage may vary. Listen to what they wilt. I'm just happy to be *able* to buy the same records on CD that I bought (several times) on lp long ago. No one's being prevented from hearing their prefered version with these releases. Rather, many, like me, will be able to finally own their prefered version on CD. That's all.

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[QUOTE=Gary Sisco] Rubber Soul in the US opened with "I've Just Seen A Face," which isn't on the UK version. /QUOTE]

That was already out in the UK on "Help!".
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So what? What has that to do with the way Americans were introduced to Rubber Soul? Like I said, how about opening KOB with "If I Were A Book?"

As for "Hey, Jude" (the album) and "Rock And Roll Music", the reason I'd like those on CD is because they collect what were in the US singles that weren't on the lps as released. And since I'm of an age when the word "record" didn't necessarily mean an album and as often meant a single, singles were as important to me as albums, in my youth. Indeed, far's the Beatles go, I spent more time listening to their later singles than their later albums. So, yeah, I'd like to have them on CD. (Apart from "Hey, Jude" the song, which I hope never to hear again.)

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So what? What has that to do with the way Americans were introduced to Rubber Soul?
You said that they didn't include some of the best songs that the US versions had and gave I've Just Seen A Face as an example and I just stated that that particular song was indeed included on a previous original UK album, that's all.

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The White Album I recently edited down to 40 minutes and like that version quite well, thanks.
If ever there was a Beatles LP that needed editing, thats the one.

I used to have an early eighties EMI UK cassette version of this which messed with the track order. Not much on the first side (sides 1 and 2 of the 2LP), but the second side (sides 3 and 4 of the 2LP) was quite different. They even put "Revolution 9" as the last track, after "Good Night"! It's almost as if they were conspiring against you listening to it more than once.

I quite like "Revolution 9" though. It'd be on my single LP version. A band called The Shazam even did a cover version of it a couple of years ago.

When my parents put "Sgt Peppers" on they used to start side 2 with "When I'm Sixty Four", skipping George's Indian thing entirely. Wonder if making "Within You, Without You" so easily skippable was a Beatles decision?
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I quite like "Revolution 9" though. It'd be on my single LP version.
Yes!

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A band called The Shazam even did a cover version of it a couple of years ago.


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When my parents put "Sgt Peppers" on they used to start side 2 with "When I'm Sixty Four", skipping George's Indian thing entirely.
That When I'm Sixty Four was recorded the same day as Strawberry Fields Forever is one thing I can never quite feel comfortable with...

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Like Gary, I leap off the Beatles bandwagon after "Revolver," although I like the John Lennon stuff on the "White Album" quite a bit. Oh yeah, and "Polythene Pam" from "Abbey Road."
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Maybe I am a Beatle's slut, but I like both the US and UK versions.

But to echo what was said above, because of overkill by the radio and movies and commercials, I prefer albums with more of the non-single songs. However, I cannot think of one Beatles song that is shit. They seemed to always write good songs, especially in the later era.

Even though I have heard Lucy in the Sky 8 gazillion times, I still love that song best.

BTW I just watched "Yellow Submarine" again for the first time in a very very long time (at least more than 15 years). It made me want to go out and buy the DVD.

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Old November-19th-2004, 10:59 AM   #23
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I stayed with them all the way, from getting hooked as a tot in 1962 up until the day they broke up. When they released that special documentary series 10 or so years ago I got sucked into them again. I played nothing but Beatles albums for months. I'm an unapologetic 100% diehard Beatles fan. The movies, all the videos, interviews, documentaries, etc...All of it still gives me goose bumps.

John was my favorite.
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I was remembering this morning that once I taped a double lp (Stevie Wonder) for a road trip, not knowing it was one of my partner's favorites. It was one of those that had sides 1 and 4 one lp and 2 and 3 on the other. Not caring, I just recorded one lp onto one side of the tape and the other to the other. My friend went apeshit on me in the car. "That's not how the record goes!" I was like, "Cool out, man. What difference does it make."

I guess I'm finding out.
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I wish I was old enough to be around for their legacy. I had to catch them much after their breakup.

But I am just as nuts about them.

John is my favorite too.

BTW I am also a Stones fan, which I hear one is not supposed to be if they are a Beatles fan. But if it were a contest, I love the Beatles more than the Stones.
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I watched "A Hard Day's Night" a few weeks ago, and it was as fresh and exciting as the first time I saw it. Still, you couldn't pay me enough to sit through all of "Abbey Road." I find most of it to be downright emetic.
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Ant -- Lots of guys were telling me when I first started bitching on this subject that I could find the missing songs on this or that other CD, but I was always replying, Why should I have to go out and buy four CDs to get all of the songs that were on one record? :-)
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Answer: just buy them all. Express your american capitalistic urges.
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BTW I am also a Stones fan, which I hear one is not supposed to be if they are a Beatles fan. But if it were a contest, I love the Beatles more than the Stones.
I love the early Stones, especially.

I was a benevolent ticket scalper (sold most of them to friends, but saved 2 for outside the gate) all through high school, and had beaucoup tickets to their 1974 week-long gig at the Garden. I loved the first show so much I went to all of them. That was the one where they had the giant inflatable penis which Jaggar hugged and humped. I think you would've dug the show too
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