Michael Moore's Impact on the Election

Coda · December-15th-2004, 03:34 PM

From the fair and balanced channel....
Wednesday, December 15, 2004
By David Asman

Democrats have been asking themselves whether Michael Moore’s high profile during the campaign might not have done them more harm than good.

Al From, head of Bill Clinton’s Democratic Leadership Council told a gathering at the National Press Club: "This party has to be the party of Harry Truman and John Kennedy, not the party of Michael Moore. Michael Moore does not represent the Kennedy or Truman tradition in the Democratic Party of patriotism and security.”

The New Republic's Peter Beinart had a more stinging rebuke: "The problem with Michael Moore is, he doesn't believe there is a war on terrorism … This is a guy who doesn't basically believe in American power or American national security. He's a problem."

So what does Michael Moore think? Not surprisingly, he thinks Michael Moore is good for the Democrats, and so are his movies. In a meeting with Hollywood Democrats on December 6th, Moore argued that Democrats would have suffered greater losses had it not been for him: "Fahrenheit 9/11 prevented a Bush landslide. Why, interviews of Republicans leaving the movie theaters showed that more than 30 percent would tell their friends to see the movie."

Message to Al From and Peter Beinart: It doesn’t look like Michael Moore gets the message.

And that’s the Asman Observer.

Root Doctor · December-15th-2004, 03:36 PM

Assman? I loved him in that Seinfeld episode.

Coda · December-15th-2004, 03:40 PM

That's one of my favorite episodes too. Seinfeld rules.

Monte Smith · December-15th-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Root Doctor

Assman?

You guys are like my Ohio cousin who drove up to my place a few months ago. He couldn't get over the name of the town "Manassas."

Man-asses! Har har har!

Childish.

As for Michael Moore, his product is the best thing since spermaceti.

Coda · December-15th-2004, 03:50 PM

spermaceti

(spûr´ms´t)*(KEY)*, solid waxy substance, white, odorless, and tasteless, separated from the oils obtained from the sperm whale (see sperm oil) and other marine mammals. A mixture of esters of fatty acids, it is composed chiefly of cetyl palmitate. Spermaceti is insoluble in water and does not putrefy. It is used mostly in ointments and cosmetics and in fine candles and was widely employed formerly as the waterproofing medium for oilskins.

Monte Smith · December-15th-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coda

Great Word!

Something brought to mind Moby Dick.

Root Doctor · December-15th-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

You guys are like my Ohio cousin who drove up to my place a few months ago. He couldn't get over the name of the town "Manassas."

Man-asses! Har har har!

Childish.

Not quite as sophisticated as those Alexander Cockburn jokes, eh?

Monte Smith · December-15th-2004, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Root Doctor

Not quite as sophisticated as those Alexander Cockburn jokes, eh?

Those were highbrow, I assure you.

Dr Dave · December-15th-2004, 04:38 PM

Michael Moore...dangerous, problematical Michael Moore.

Zzzzzzzzzz......

December-15th-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

Man-asses! Har har har!

Hahahahahahahahahaha..................

Monte Smith · December-15th-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Dolan

Hahahahahahahahahaha..................

The same cousin also got a kick out of nearby Dumfries, Virginia's oldest chartered town.

""Dumb fries!" Har har har! I bet those are popular with Man-asses! A har har har!"

Childish.

December-15th-2004, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

""Dumb fries!" Har har har! I bet those are popular with Man-asses! A har har har!"

Hahahahahahahahaha....................

Does he like to say "rock out with your cock out"? Or the more pc version "hang out with your wang out".

Pete C · December-15th-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

You guys are like my Ohio cousin who drove up to my place a few months ago. He couldn't get over the name of the town "Manassas."

Man-asses! Har har har!

Childish.

Luckily the trait doesn't run in the family.

Monte Smith · December-15th-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete C

Luckily the trait doesn't run in the family.

Har har har!

Childish.

crawjo · December-15th-2004, 08:04 PM

Michael Moore thinks his movie prevented a Bush landslide? This guy's ego is hitting record highs.

What prevented a Bush landslide was that Bush was more or less a miserable candidate.

December-15th-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crawjo

What prevented a Bush landslide was that Bush was more or less a miserable candidate.

Dr Dave · December-16th-2004, 12:08 AM

Au Contraire! Bush was a great candidate, as long as he didn't have to debate. "Come stand with me!" was a beautiful piece of work. Boy George can follow a simple script like nobody's business.

December-16th-2004, 12:51 AM

Aw Finch, why still bitter?

Tom Storer · December-16th-2004, 05:27 AM

Monte, I deduce that you have a low opinion of your relative, regarding him as a vexing boor. Do you mock him cruelly? Does he have unusual personality quirks?

Hoping there may be another character in the Pumpy/Matt vein coming our way,

Tom

Gary Sisco · December-16th-2004, 07:56 AM

The liberla answer to PJ O'Rourke. Can't stand either one. They probably cancel out each other's miniscule influence on events.

Monte Smith · December-16th-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Storer

Monte, I deduce that you have a low opinion of your relative, regarding him as a vexing boor. Do you mock him cruelly?

Quite the contrary. I find him refreshing. Anyone who can laugh at Manassas is OK with me.

Chaz Longue · December-16th-2004, 02:03 PM

I suspect he had no greater impact than any other clarinet/alto player.

Darryl G. Thomas · December-16th-2004, 02:56 PM

Who gives a crap about what the DLC thinks? They're just a bunch of warmed over Republicans. They lucked out and found a charismatc candidate in Bill Clinton. He won a couple of elections but meanwhile the Democrats lost both chambers of Congress being DLC-like.

As for Bush the candidate, no matter what you think of his intellect or his policies he's a hell of a campaigner. After all the failed businesses he found the one thing he was really good at -- winning elections.

Ennis Snavely · December-16th-2004, 03:27 PM

I think Moore's movie got a lot of people fired up. I don't think it won any converts, but I think it was one additional reason that people got involved in the Kerry campaign to try to defeat Bush. I saw the movie and thought it was largely accurate. It brought to light a lot of things that people hadn't noticed or had forgotten and I think Moore did us a great service by making it.

Darryl G. Thomas · December-16th-2004, 03:48 PM

What the DLC fails to recognize is that people outside of the mainstream, like Moore, helped fuel the Democratic turnout. But Moore did not cost them the election. They're hunting for scapegoats.

I didn't see Moore's movie. It wasn't for me anyway, it would've been like preaching to the choir. The Right hates Moore because he trashed its boy. Natural reaction. The DLC? If Kerry had won they'd be kissing Moore up one butt-cheek and down the other.

December-16th-2004, 04:13 PM

Let the DLC continue to drive the Democratic Party into the ground. The Democrats are finished as a national force, a superfluous presence on the political stage. The best thing that could happen at this point would be for the DP to drop off the face of the earth.

Forget about Third Party politics, we actually need a Second Party.

Uli · December-16th-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed the Happy Clown

Let the DLC continue to drive the Democratic Party into the ground. The Democrats are finished as a national force, a superfluous presence on the political stage. The best thing that could happen at this point would be for the DP to drop off the face of the earth.

Forget about Third Party politics, we actually need a Second Party.

Maybe if the new left and the old left (now c & l) would rally behind Nader that could be it. 50 million votes can't be that hard to get.

Monte Smith · December-16th-2004, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Uli

Maybe if the new left and the old left (now c & l) would rally behind Nader that could be it. 50 million votes can't be that hard to get.

Nader 2008!

December-16th-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Monte Smith

Nader 2008!

Darryl G. Thomas · December-16th-2004, 05:27 PM

Nader? Please. Let's not be romantic here. Let's say he wins through some miracle. How's he going to govern? The two main parties aren't going to support him, how's he going to get any legislation passed? He wouldn't even have the power of the veto. I'm sure Congress could muster up enough votes to override it.

Nader would have to be a member of a third party that would have enough seats in Congress to make a difference. That third party does not exist.

And finally, what qualifications would he bring to the job? Yeah, he's done some nice consumer protection stuff way back in the day, but does that make him ready for prime time? Hell, we've got experienced cats running things now and we've got a morass in Iraq and an off the hook budget defict. A Nader presidency would probably do worse. This ain't no time for Ted Mack's Amateur Hour.